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Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361857/29726/18]
Posted by Wizard at 21:58, 30th May 2025
 
I understand that Gloucester drivers have had Melksham work removed with the change of timetable. Along with Bristol drivers losing Weymouth, it would appear Westbury depot are too thin to cover all the gaps.

There are ... times ... I wish I had provided an "amazed" button answer as well as a "like" button. If you have understood correctly (and I have no reason to doubt it) it looks to be rather backward step in terms of providing a reliable service, doesn't it?

Has the new timetable change sorted out the lunchtime problem where a crew arriving off the semi-fast London to Exeter service do a round trip to Swindon ... notorious for being cancelled, turned at Chippenham or delayed if anything goes wrong (does it ever?) between London and Reading,  delaying the Exeter.

Almost all depots have lost routes with the May timetable. I guess it works on paper. Believe Oxford are the odd ones out who’ve actually gained a new route.

Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361856/19893/51]
Posted by TonyK at 21:07, 30th May 2025
 

I'm not sure I could cope with sitting in the car with mainly teenagers all day and trusting their driving.


You'll soon be sitting in the train with teenagers driving, apparently. 



I've been on more than one airliner flown by a teenager, including one where the commanding pilot told us (after a perfect landing at Bristol) that this had been the young man's first time flying the entire journey from engine start to engine stop at the other end.

Re: New station at Ashley Down, Bristol
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [361855/24045/21]
Posted by TonyK at 20:56, 30th May 2025
 
There's a local Bristol Beeb news article about an artist being sought to provide a mural at Ashley Down station to make it "more welcoming".  Personally I think that Ashley Down is okay as it is with other stations probably more in need of the four grand that seems to have been made available for the project.

Here's the link to the article in full.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e6jq9yxp1o.amp

A matter of opinion, I suppose, but I rather like the muriel at Stapleton Road (if it's still there). Why not here?

Re: Go-Op Cooperative - proposals for additional rail services
In "TransWilts line" [361854/11010/18]
Posted by TonyK at 20:52, 30th May 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
There's an article in today's Sunday Times "Home" supplement, "Just the ticket or a curse for locals", quoting the promoter as saying they're now targeting high-net-worth individuals and rail industry bodies, promising high returns and economic prosperity". The reporter observes that "the line between Frome, Bruton and Castle Cary could become one of the poshest commuter routes in England". The plan is to buy 50-year-old rolling stock.

I incline towards pessimism about the viability of the proposal. I'm reminded of the bid, what, 20 years ago, by an individual to run a couple of extra trains (using "old" carriages) a day from Pewsey into Paddington and a couple more on return journeys. One cynical observation was that during delays the existing operator might give route preferences to its own trains.

I read the article with keen interest until I got where it first mentioned Go-op. Then I gave up.

Re: Steam excursion - except there's much more diesel than steam!
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [361853/30223/47]
Posted by matth1j at 17:21, 30th May 2025
 
Regarding the Jacobite 'Harry Potter' train that runs between Fort William and Mallaig, crossing the Glenfinnan viaduct (as seen in the films)...

As an avid railway photographer, I would gladly phot a steam excursion from lineside, but as a participant of a railtour, it really does not matter what the motive power is.

Fortunately there are enough people who do think it's worth paying to travel behind steam or there'd be no steam to photograph!  Ideally the trip should be enhanced by a welcoming boarding experience (a chance for a leisurely inspection of the haulage, including in this case during the mid-point attachment perhaps?) as well as that onboard experience and being made to feel appreciated for keeping the show on the (iron) road.

We included this recently in a 60th birthday trip. The trip was over 12 days, and we were very lucky in that it coincided with 2 weeks of fantastic weather - the guide on our 3 day tour of the Outer Hebrides said that it was the first time in 13 years that it hadn't rained once during the tour.

However, it also meant that they didn't run the steam train on the Jacobite due to the risk of setting fire to the surrounding very dry countryside - we didn't find that out until we got to the station. Plus we'd also been warned beforehand that the usual posh carriages were undergoing some sort of maintenance I think, so we ended up in just what seemed like old (1950s?) and somewhat tired rolling stock.

Given that we'd paid £105 each (1st class), plus £30 each for the 'high tea' (in a box), it was a bit disappointing, although we still enjoyed it - the glorious weather did mean that the scenery looked fantastic.

I suspect the passengers probably weren't the only ones disappointed - the hillsides at both ends of the viaduct were covered in people either taking photos or just watching, presumably hoping for a bit of steam rather than fumes

https://westcoastrailways.co.uk/jacobite/steam-train-trip

Re: Sad death of Shirley Pope, 82, and her dog, hit by train on foot crossing at Pewsey, Feb 2025
In "London to Kennet Valley" [361852/30033/8]
Posted by hoover50 at 16:25, 30th May 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
https://www.newvalleynews.co.uk/news/outstanding-member-of-the-community-dies-after-being-hit-by-a-train-inquest-report/

This was such a tragic death which could have been avoided.

Network Rail urgently need to fix the bridge AND improve safety at the rail crossing which has no warning lights or sirens despite having very limited visibility.

I often use this crossing and express trains from Paddington come hurtling round the corner at 100mph. Once you see a train you have only three seconds to cross over. Trains should sound their horn on approach to the crossing, but they don't always do so.

A few updates I've noticed at this location in recent days:
1) Work is now progressing to get the bridge replaced
2) Trains are now sounding their horn more often, using both tones instead of one
3) A 40mph TSR/ESR is now in place for trains in the down direction, ending just after the crossing


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361851/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 15:01, 30th May 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
The change only happened last weekend!

So as of last night it was 50% of the days since the change that the peak evening train was declared cancelled then re-instated.  Unclever - very unclever.

Let's hope that THIS crew shortage issue (or the way of reporting it in a way that scares the customers away) is shortlived - teething troubles.  Sadly, I am not holding my breath as prior experience of staff shortages is that they go on. And on. And on.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361850/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:33, 30th May 2025
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be started from Swindon.
It will no longer call at Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham and Chippenham.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361849/29726/18]
Posted by RA at 12:48, 30th May 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
I understand that Gloucester drivers have had Melksham work removed with the change of timetable. Along with Bristol drivers losing Weymouth, it would appear Westbury depot are too thin to cover all the gaps.

There are ... times ... I wish I had provided an "amazed" button answer as well as a "like" button. If you have understood correctly (and I have no reason to doubt it) it looks to be rather backward step in terms of providing a reliable service, doesn't it?

Has the new timetable change sorted out the lunchtime problem where a crew arriving off the semi-fast London to Exeter service do a round trip to Swindon ... notorious for being cancelled, turned at Chippenham or delayed if anything goes wrong (does it ever?) between London and Reading,  delaying the Exeter.

The lunchtime train is still booked with an Exeter guard who arrives on the London to Exeter service.  The 1623 Westbury to Swindon and 1735 Swindon to Westbury services are now booked to have a driver who travels up from Exeter! I think Westbury have covered it (when possible) every time it has run since the timetable change though.

The evening 1750 Gloucester to Salisbury service is now booked from Swindon for a driver from Reading depot who is then booked to bring back the 2006 Westbury to Cheltenham service as far as Swindon.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361848/29650/26]
Posted by Fourbee at 12:17, 30th May 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, rogerw
 
There's an article in this month's Rail magazine with some of the people working on Project Brunel (the project tasked with improving the performance of the infrastructure between Reading and Paddington). Fairly interesting read.

My main recollections: undergrowth was cut back that was tripping the OLE, too many/heavy trains using it (broken rails), pigeons nesting in bridges culled particularly at Ealing Broadway as they were tripping the OLE when a train passed, 777 axle counters replaced that still get loose, but are monitored/tightened before they fail again, addressing wet bed issues to do with drainage being covered over when track was realigned.

This may not have been the sentiment intended or I misread it: the team want to maintain the current level of progress without slipping back (!).

BBC 'Train drivers have best office in the world' - driver based in Westbury
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [361847/30309/49]
Posted by matth1j at 09:03, 30th May 2025
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2qgdlegq4o

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361846/29726/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:50, 30th May 2025
 
The change only happened last weekend!

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361845/29726/18]
Posted by Timmer at 08:44, 30th May 2025
 
I understand that Gloucester drivers have had Melksham work removed with the change of timetable. Along with Bristol drivers losing Weymouth, it would appear Westbury depot are too thin to cover all the gaps.
Explains why Weymouth trains often end up terminating at Westbury in both directions if Bristol drivers no longer sign the route down to Weymouth. Might be good for operators but not good for passengers.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361844/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 08:18, 30th May 2025
 
Friday May 30

08:18 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:25.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.
Last Updated:30/05/2025 05:59
Not a good week for this to be short-formed : it's half-term and this is the first train for cheap off-peak tickets.
I was on it on Wednesday, when it was a 9-car set; we had the "move any bags off the seats - people are standing" announcement before Oxford.

17:34 London Paddington to Hereford due 20:25 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:30/05/2025 07:13

Later:
20:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 23:13 will be started from Reading.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:30/05/2025 08:09

12:30 : Train crew found for the Paddington - Oxford leg of the 17:34.

Re: Is playing music on public transport "Chipping away at Society"?
In "Fare's Fair" [361843/30308/4]
Posted by grahame at 08:18, 30th May 2025
 
I think you know full well that Jenrick is referring mainly to ....

You have me - I know what I think he meant.  As his words were reported it suggested he was looking to throw out the baby with the bathwater ...

Personal annoyance - too many announcements in the quiet carriage, including those telling us to keep quiet in that carriage - "do as I say, not as I do ..."

Re: Is playing music on public transport "Chipping away at Society"?
In "Fare's Fair" [361842/30308/4]
Posted by bobm at 07:51, 30th May 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
It is covered in paragraph 7 of the Railway Byelaws

7. Music, sound, advertising and carrying on a trade

except with written permission from an operator no person on the railway shall, to the annoyance of any person:
sing or
use any instrument, article or equipment for the production or reproduction of sound

Don’t start me on mobile phone calls.  Increasingly you get people holding their phone flat, on loudspeaker and talking into the bottom of it as though they are on the Apprentice!

Re: Is playing music on public transport "Chipping away at Society"?
In "Fare's Fair" [361841/30308/4]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:42, 30th May 2025
Already liked by NickB, Witham Bobby
 
I think you know full well that Jenrick is referring mainly to the individuals who think it OK to play 'music', or have loud conversations, on public transport without benefit of headphones.

Even if you don't appreciate piano music I fail to understand why anybody would object to the use of a public piano by a reasonably competent player.

I would assume that 'flash mob performances' at public transport sites are already deemed illegal by relevant byelaws; if not they should be made so forthwith.

'Chipping away at society'? Not really but perhaps a civil law 'charge' of being bloody annoying in a public place would be useful. 

Re: Is playing music on public transport "Chipping away at Society"?
In "Fare's Fair" [361840/30308/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:35, 30th May 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, rogerw, johnneyw, eXPassenger
 
From The BBC

Shadow justice secretary Robert Jenrick has said he hopes his video confronting fare evaders on the London Underground will "shame people into action".

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live's Matt Chorley, Jenrick said activities such as fare dodging along with graffiti and playing music on public transport were "chipping away at society".

Is playing music on public transport "Chipping away at Society"? ... I can recall a member of this forum and a well respected campaigner playing a violin - or was it a viola - at the opening of Ashley Down, public pianos at a number of stations, and flash mob performances that seem to enhance people's experiences ...

Huge difference between buskers and those playing music "live" at stations who are often talented musicians which enhances and adds character and ignorant so and sos blasting out (most often in my experience) rap "music" from their smartphones on the train because they're too inconsiderate to wear headphones and .....well......they're entitled, aren't they? 

(Early morning rant over!)

Is playing music on public transport "Chipping away at Society"?
In "Fare's Fair" [361839/30308/4]
Posted by grahame at 07:21, 30th May 2025
 
From The BBC

Shadow justice secretary Robert Jenrick has said he hopes his video confronting fare evaders on the London Underground will "shame people into action".

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live's Matt Chorley, Jenrick said activities such as fare dodging along with graffiti and playing music on public transport were "chipping away at society".

Is playing music on public transport "Chipping away at Society"? ... I can recall a member of this forum and a well respected campaigner playing a violin - or was it a viola - at the opening of Ashley Down, public pianos at a number of stations, and flash mob performances that seem to enhance people's experiences ...

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361838/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 07:12, 30th May 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
I understand that Gloucester drivers have had Melksham work removed with the change of timetable. Along with Bristol drivers losing Weymouth, it would appear Westbury depot are too thin to cover all the gaps.

There are ... times ... I wish I had provided an "amazed" button answer as well as a "like" button. If you have understood correctly (and I have no reason to doubt it) it looks to be rather backward step in terms of providing a reliable service, doesn't it?

Has the new timetable change sorted out the lunchtime problem where a crew arriving off the semi-fast London to Exeter service do a round trip to Swindon ... notorious for being cancelled, turned at Chippenham or delayed if anything goes wrong (does it ever?) between London and Reading,  delaying the Exeter.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361837/29726/18]
Posted by Wizard at 07:03, 30th May 2025
 
I understand that Gloucester drivers have had Melksham work removed with the change of timetable. Along with Bristol drivers losing Weymouth, it would appear Westbury depot are too thin to cover all the gaps.

Telegraph wires
In "Railway History and related topics" [361836/30307/55]
Posted by grahame at 05:56, 30th May 2025
 
Now here's something you don't see in the UK these days - pretty unusual elsewhere too and I have posted them in "History" rather that heritage things you can see and enjoy.

This from Poland on the line from Lithuania - the sole rail link (if you can call it that with the change in gauge between the two countries).  "Rail Baltica" will link from Poland across Lithuania and Latvia and on to Tallinn in Estonia and I suspect that in the process the old signalling communications will be replaced.


Re: Interrail, summer 2025 - daily diary thread of our travels
In "Introductions and chat" [361835/30276/1]
Posted by grahame at 05:28, 30th May 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Mark A
 
On Tuesday we caught this train ...



On Thursday we ate breakfast at this station ...



If it's Friday it must be ...



... catching the 06:01 train.

Experiences overtake the time to write them all up.

Re: Go-Op Cooperative - proposals for additional rail services
In "TransWilts line" [361834/11010/18]
Posted by AMLAG at 21:22, 29th May 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch, grahame, Mark A, Witham Bobby
 

Personally and I’m not alone, I can’t see why Go-Op or indeed any Train Operator should have
to be saddled with the cost of upgrading these footpath level crossings.
The route from Thingley Jn to Bradford Jn is routinely used intensively for planned and emergency diversion of a wide variety of trains and identified safety concerns requiring upgrades and  installation of Red/Green lights to inform users should be installed at the Infrastructure owner’s (currently Network Rail) expense with possible financial assistance from
outside bodies such as County Councils.


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361833/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:40, 29th May 2025
 
The 16:23 from Westbury and the 17:35 from Swindon now re-instated.

However

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be started from Swindon.
It will no longer call at Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham and Chippenham.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

20:06 Westbury to Swindon due 21:21
An additional bus service has been planned to operate as shown 20:06 Westbury to Swindon due 21:21.

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Re: Gravel paths down the sides of Asdas...
In "The Lighter Side" [361832/30306/30]
Posted by matth1j at 17:02, 29th May 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
(Source of phrase, for anyone who missed it:
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11010.msg361826#msg361826 )

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361831/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 16:08, 29th May 2025
 
Thanks for that. It's wonderful how much specialist knowledge you get here! 

And you may regret including that link - you'll get some more dumb questions from this end!

Gravel paths down the sides of Asdas...
In "The Lighter Side" [361830/30306/30]
Posted by Mark A at 16:06, 29th May 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
It's a phrase that resonated. So much railway land redeveloped for retail, and just occasionally, provision made for a new line through the site.

Galashiels is to some extent a case of "Where there have never been trains, there will be trains", mind, to misquote John Betjeman.

Mark

https://postimg.cc/62Lg43tB

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361829/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 15:49, 29th May 2025
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 will be terminated at Swindon.
It will no longer call at Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster and Salisbury.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

And now cancelled throughout ... no real difference on the TransWilts section where it was cancelled anyway!

17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Go-Op Cooperative - proposals for additional rail services
In "TransWilts line" [361828/11010/18]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:43, 29th May 2025
 
Red/Green crossing lights will need to be installed presumably?

 
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