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Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361961/30318/40]
Posted by Noggin at 11:03, 5th June 2025
 
I believe it's a little duller than that. Basically the reinstatement of the 2027 to 2032 Mayoral Authority funding settlement which was announced in Oct 2023 but frozen by Labour when they came into power.

It follows on from the 2022 to 2027 settlement which in the case of WECA, has mainly been bus and road focused, although there's been a fair amount of rail strategic planning with NR including a study into whether Parkway to Temple Meads could be electrified for less than originally budgeted.

I'm not sure if a detailed pipeline for 2027 to 2032 is in the public domain - the main commitments I can find are reopening Portishead (MetroWest 1b) and Henbury (MetroWest 2).

Mass transit development could be something exciting, but realistically it's probably just bits like moving the busses to the north side of Temple Meads, roadworks along the A37 and A4 corridors to make the busses run faster etc.

I suspect that in the case of WECA it's PR fluff rather than anything meaningful.


I'm hoping for more than that, although with past years in mind. The devil will be in the dtail, and there isn't much at this stage.

Perhaps I was too pessimistic?

Within that 2027 to 2032 window, we should have in the bag Portishead and Henbury reopening, five new stations and a reworked Temple Meads.

I'm not certain around the timelines but the rail/metrobus/cycling infrastructure around Brabazon looks pretty good on paper (though obviously a more frequent rail service would be better) and should be fairly transformational for the Cribbs to UWE "arc".

Support for small, incremental rail projects seem plausible - e.g. Narroways to Montpelier tunnel redoubling, Saltford, Ashton Gate, St Anne’s Park and Lockleaze station reopenings and perhaps even Filton Bank electrification. 


Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361960/30290/51]
Posted by stuving at 10:45, 5th June 2025
 
Playing devil's advocate - it doesn't say that he got permission to cross though - don't you think that they'd have added those few words?
No. Whether a telephone conversation (which was not recorded) provided "permission" is not the kind of simple fact that can be determined at the outset of an investigation. It is likely to be contentious, and a different interpretation of what went on by the two parties has caused such accidents in the past. In other words, you are looking for evidence of confusion and find that the evidence itself is confused - so you avoid jumping to conclusions.

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361959/30290/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:54, 5th June 2025
 
Playing devil's advocate - it doesn't say that he got permission to cross though - don't you think that they'd have added those few words?

To Ukraine by plane and train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361958/30320/52]
Posted by Marlburian at 08:37, 5th June 2025
 
An Ukrainian friend long resident in the UK recently returned home for ten days to meet her brother (a paramilitary firefighter) and a friend. She flew from Stansted to Rzeszow in Eastern Poland  and took a bus to Przemysl on the border with Ukraine and then an overnight train  to Kyiv, some 300 miles away, in a four-berth sleeper compartment that was not very comfortable. This enabled her to “sleep in” when the train arrived at 0215, rather than de-training and being on her own with luggage at that time of the morning.

Life in the capital city seemed almost normal, though sirens sounded a number of times and she spotted a couple of missiles.

On the return train journey, there was an oppressive checking of passports by aggressive officials. She was travelling on her British passport, which an official looked at with a sneer, asking “What’s this?”  It may not have helped that she primarily speaks Russian – as do around 12-15% of Ukrainians, with another 20-30% using both Russian and Ukrainian. Historically, Russian was more widely spoken, but the war has led to a shift towards Ukrainian.

The officials took away all the passengers’ passports but returned them before the train crossed into Poland.

Though she's been to Ukraine at least once since the invasion, to "rescue" her mother, without problems with her phone she had trouble getting it to work this time, not only when contacting people back in England, but when trying to communicate with the taxi driver who'd called to collect her from her hotel. She had to buy a new SIM card with a new number.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [361957/489/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:20, 5th June 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55

23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 will be terminated at Bodmin Parkway.
It will no longer call at Lostwithiel, Par, St Austell, Truro, Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361956/30290/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:45, 5th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A, PrestburyRoad, rogerw
 
Rant time.

A major problem at farm crossings all around the UK. Too many farmers ignore the safety rules by either leaving gates open, not seeking permission to cross or not confirming afterwards that the gates are closed and the crossing is clear for a train to proceed. And if any livestock is killed on the track it's always the fault of the railway, not the impatient farmer who didn't close the gate(s).

Hopefully this farmer is convicted.

Rant over.

Thankfully very few injuries. The worse case scenario, one train derails and is struck by another train.

From the RAIB

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/collision-between-a-train-and-an-agricultural-trailer-at-nordan-farm-user-worked-level-crossing?fbclid=IwY2xjawKuC9NleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFBYmZKV0lZWjVVVHJ3VlRPAR5P9niXBe2dPwGakmuwkMHMcQeJD6UFY-ubeAmicBM7V5ZAVdD9ap4q3jU04Q_aem_FbaGDzgW3wnNb6Yb-QGECw

Before leaping to conclusions/convictions, no doubt readers will note "The evidence available to RAIB shows that the driver of the tractor involved in this accident telephoned the signaller before using the crossing".

Re: German experience - not quite as punctual as its old reputation would suggest
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361955/30313/52]
Posted by RichardB at 22:22, 4th June 2025
 
On my Interrail trip last year, it was really only German long distance services I had any problem with (and even then, as described above, it was nothing disastrous).  I took a few German local services and they were all fine.

Switzerland - as excellent as you'd expect.  Holland and Belgium all fine.  The Italian Frecciarossa trains were brilliant - fast, frequent and just lovely trains.  A vast change from my first experience of FS in the early 80s!

Re: To Aachen and back- by train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361954/30319/52]
Posted by RichardB at 22:15, 4th June 2025
 
There's a really good model railway shop in the centre of Aachen too - close to the Town Hall.

Re: Coventry - Very Light Railway - merged posts
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [361953/30245/28]
Posted by johnneyw at 21:30, 4th June 2025
 
The Coventry VLR trail is set to expand with £12m allocated by the DfT to to extend the track from Coventry Station to Coventry University.
12 million quid might seem quite a modest amount but that's what VLR is all about.

More in the link below:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-very-light-rail-expanded-31778868

To Aachen and back- by train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361952/30319/52]
Posted by eightonedee at 20:03, 4th June 2025
Already liked by RichardB, Mark A, grahame, PrestburyRoad, Oxonhutch
 
Part One- the outward journey.

Grahame is not the only forum member to be sampling rail travel across the Channel in recent days. My wife and I spent a few days in Germany, based in Aachen, over the weekend, celebrating her birthday by visiting two cathedrals covered in a recent WEA course she has attended (Aachen and Trier) and the surrounding general area.
We’ve used Eurostar as our preferred way of getting to much of France and the Benelux countries for some years, so decided to add Germany to the list of counties visited by this means. Aachen is only just in Germany, both the Netherlands and Belgium being almost within walking distance of the city. I booked tickets through SNCB, the Belgian national railway company, travelling via Brussels each way. I hope this account might be of interest and assistance to forum members who might be contemplating visiting this part of the world.

As it happens, our outwards journey was the first with any problems after 10 clear on-time journeys on Eurostar. Having checked in, and arrived in the crowded departures area at St Pancras, the displays changed to show that our 13-00 departure was now expected to depart at 14-30. We were booked on an onwards DB ICE due to depart 20 minutes after our due arrival time. To their credit, Eurostar immediately announced that anyone with onward journeys from Lille or Brussels should attend their information desk to get help with alternative arrangements. In our case, we were given a handwritten note confirming that the Eurostar train was delayed by up to two hours franked with an official rubber stamp, and told to present it in Brussels and we would likely be issued a replacement ticket on a later train at no cost. We might not even need this – the certificate itself may work. They could not help with times, but recommended checking on-line, and it was easy to confirm that there was a DB ICE every two hours.

On the train, a member of crew went through the train asked who was affected by missing booked connections, and we were advised to go to the ticket and information at Brussels Midi. This we did, and a very helpful person with excellent English glanced at our certificate, and told us that we needed nothing more, and should just get on the next (18-25) ICE and show the certificate on any ticket inspection.

This was my first mainline German train trip, albeit mostly across Belgium, and we were treated to one of their mark 3 ICE high-speed trains. Very satisfactory, clean and comfortable it was too. The ticket inspector simply asked if we were one of the passengers affected by the Eurostar delay, and accepted our “yes” without actually inspecting either our ticket or certificate! Despite all the negative publicity about DB in recent times, it ran to time (as did GWR from Goring to Paddington on the way to London).

Tip for anyone thinking of travelling to Aachen from St Pancras – the Eurostar fare on the ex-Thalys service using old 1990s TGV-type trains is £81, on the DB ICE it is £31-36, a little less for us as we were “seniors”. Both take the same high-speed track, but the DB service takes all of between 3 and 6 minutes longer, and both run about once every two hours.

Aachen station looks like a post-war reconstruction, a pleasant enough building, and sits on an attractive square south of the old city centre. Unfortunately, it is also a magnet for all the alcoholics and down-and-outs of the city, and this is reflected also in a conspicuous police and security presence. The city itself has an attractive centre around the cathedral, old townhall and an interesting museum at the Charlemagne Centre, this being Charlemagne city. It gives the history of the city from pre-Roman times to the post-war period. The city, as a transport hub and an early target in the “liberation” of Germany in 1944 was very heavily bombed. Much of the rest of the city is typical post-war reconstruction ex-West Germany, albeit a little shabbier than many other similar cities. It is not so good as a base if you want to see Trier as well and use public transport. We “cheated” and hired a car, which also gave us an opportunity to see some of the attractive hilly country of the Ardennes, Haute Fagnes and Eifel National Parks and Moselle valley around the area where Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg meet. Aachen does however have good rail and bus links with Cologne, Maastricht, Eupen and Liege if you fancy an international sightseeing break.

Next time-the way home....
 

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361951/29650/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:53, 4th June 2025
 
Burnham Station, according to the Bucks Free Press.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361950/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:48, 4th June 2025
 
Does anyone know which bridge was struck?

I believe it was Burnham.

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [361949/1219/28]
Posted by TonyK at 16:08, 4th June 2025
Already liked by eightonedee, Mark A, Oxonhutch, rogerw
 
I don't believe that this has only just been classified as an England & wales project at this stage - so why complain only now?

Oooh look, a chance to bash the London government and get my name in the paper, along with my "angry" photo.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361948/30318/40]
Posted by TonyK at 16:03, 4th June 2025
 
I believe it's a little duller than that. Basically the reinstatement of the 2027 to 2032 Mayoral Authority funding settlement which was announced in Oct 2023 but frozen by Labour when they came into power.

It follows on from the 2022 to 2027 settlement which in the case of WECA, has mainly been bus and road focused, although there's been a fair amount of rail strategic planning with NR including a study into whether Parkway to Temple Meads could be electrified for less than originally budgeted.

I'm not sure if a detailed pipeline for 2027 to 2032 is in the public domain - the main commitments I can find are reopening Portishead (MetroWest 1b) and Henbury (MetroWest 2).

Mass transit development could be something exciting, but realistically it's probably just bits like moving the busses to the north side of Temple Meads, roadworks along the A37 and A4 corridors to make the busses run faster etc.

I suspect that in the case of WECA it's PR fluff rather than anything meaningful.


I'm hoping for more than that, although with past years in mind. The devil will be in the dtail, and there isn't much at this stage.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361947/29650/26]
Posted by Hal at 13:39, 4th June 2025
 
Does anyone know which bridge was struck?

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361946/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:09, 4th June 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to a road vehicle colliding with a bridge earlier on this train's journey between Slough and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed.

 Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/06.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361945/30318/40]
Posted by Noggin at 11:51, 4th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
I believe it's a little duller than that. Basically the reinstatement of the 2027 to 2032 Mayoral Authority funding settlement which was announced in Oct 2023 but frozen by Labour when they came into power.

It follows on from the 2022 to 2027 settlement which in the case of WECA, has mainly been bus and road focused, although there's been a fair amount of rail strategic planning with NR including a study into whether Parkway to Temple Meads could be electrified for less than originally budgeted.

I'm not sure if a detailed pipeline for 2027 to 2032 is in the public domain - the main commitments I can find are reopening Portishead (MetroWest 1b) and Henbury (MetroWest 2).

Mass transit development could be something exciting, but realistically it's probably just bits like moving the busses to the north side of Temple Meads, roadworks along the A37 and A4 corridors to make the busses run faster etc.

I suspect that in the case of WECA it's PR fluff rather than anything meaningful.





 

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361944/30318/40]
Posted by John D at 11:33, 4th June 2025
 
Government announcement with the amounts and main projects by region

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/biggest-ever-investment-in-city-region-local-transport-as-chancellor-vows-the-renewal-of-britain

For West of England £800m
£150m to improve rail infrastructure across the region, including funding to support WECA’s ambitions for increased frequency of services between Brabazon and the city centre. £200m for Mass transit development between Bristol, Bath, South Gloucestershire and North Somerset.

Doesn't say what the other £450m is for.
WECA haven't uploaded anything about it, so at moment what else is funded is a mystery.



Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361943/30318/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:38, 4th June 2025
 
£800m for West of England to improve rail infrastructure, provide more frequent trains between the Brabazon industrial estate in Bristol and the city centre, and develop mass transit between Bristol, Bath, South Gloucestershire and North Somerset

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Re: European Passengers Federation - 13th and 14th June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361942/29670/52]
Posted by grahame at 10:02, 4th June 2025
 
If you might report a precis back here, it would be helpful - ticketing on day 1 & Mark Hopwood on Day 2 the most interesting - along with Bryony's 'Women in Transport'....

Indeed ... and I also have rate clarification from Bryony

€50 for TravelWatch SouthWest members. And of course to become a member for life it only costs a pound.

Re: European Passengers Federation - 13th and 14th June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361941/29670/52]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:00, 4th June 2025
 
If you might report a precis back here, it would be helpful - ticketing on day 1 & Mark Hopwood on Day 2 the most interesting - along with Bryony's 'Women in Transport'....

Re: European Passengers Federation - 13th and 14th June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361940/29670/52]
Posted by grahame at 08:31, 4th June 2025
 
I have been asked to bump this topic with a view to encouraging more to sign up by the end of this week. I am in Rouen today so peculiarly approporiat and will be signing up from here. There IS a fee involved - in this case I will be happy to pay where I am normally exceptionally limited in paying for public transport events / conferences.

Full conference welcome details are mirrored at https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/25_06_Participants_Practicalities.pdf for members of the forum

Further details at
https://www.epfconference.eu/  (this one with signup links)
https://railway200.co.uk/activity/european-passenger-federation-epf-annual-conference/


Re: Rail firms accused of misusing courts for ticket errors / fare evasion (merged posts)
In "Fare's Fair" [361938/19613/4]
Posted by grahame at 06:59, 4th June 2025
 
From The BBC

Train passengers are suffering unfair penalties for minor and often genuine mistakes in buying tickets, an inquiry has found.

The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said Britain's fare system was "complex" and that rail firms must stop taking "disproportionate action" against travellers.

Sam Williamson, 22, thought he'd bagged a £1.90 discount on a ticket using his young person's rail card, but was threatened with court action - now dropped - as the saving didn't apply before 10am on weekdays outside of July and August.

The Rail Delivery Group, which represents rail firms, said fare evasion costs the industry £400m a year but acknowledged the industry has to be "more consistent".

Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361937/30318/40]
Posted by grahame at 06:56, 4th June 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
From The BBC

Billions of pounds of investment in transport infrastructure in England are set to be announced by Chancellor Rachel Reeves on Wednesday.

The money will be spent on tram, train and bus projects in mayoral authorities across the Midlands, the North and the West Country.

Good.

Looking at Wikipedia , 356 (yes, three hundred and fifty six) new stations have opened in the last 25 years - 100, 50, 98, 69 and 30 in each five year period.  Some of these have not been on National Rail lines, but many/most have. 

How have we done in Wiltshire?  ZERO.   The last new station was opened in 1937, and there's has been one solitary reopening (in 1985) of a station closed in 1966.    It looks like the new announcement is also a duck (zero) for us - we are not in a mayoral authority, even though parts of our county are very much part of the catchment area for WECA - where the mayoral authority is slated for a headline spend

Re: European Passengers Federation - 13th and 14th June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361936/29670/52]
Posted by grahame at 06:43, 4th June 2025
 
I have been asked to bump this topic with a view to encouraging more to sign up by the end of this week. I am in Rouen today so peculiarly approporiat and will be signing up from here. There IS a fee involved - in this case I will be happy to pay where I am normally exceptionally limited in paying for public transport events / conferences.

Re: Sodium-ion batteries and battery swapping stations
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361935/30315/40]
Posted by grahame at 06:38, 4th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
In my experience, 30 seconds in the railway world is faster than the speed of light

Indeed - a battery change at an intermediate stop that's this quick would be faster that the dropping off and picking up of passengers.    Of course, the need for battery changes quite frequently would mean there's a need for exchanges at places like Devizes Gateway, Somerton/Langport, Wellington and Cullompton.

Re: Melksham's rail service - where are we, on the anniversary of being Beechinged?
In "TransWilts line" [361934/30162/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:25, 4th June 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
Upgrades needed to town’s railway services 40 years on.

https://melkshamnews.com/upgrades-needed-to-towns-railway-services-40-years-on/

There is also an excellent article on the Legal Art Wall which has transformed the pedestrian subway under the bypass which separates the town from the station

https://melkshamnews.com/melkshams-legal-art-wall-to-serve-as-model-for-other-towns/





Re: Uber plan trains through The Chunnel
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361933/30316/51]
Posted by Electric train at 06:17, 4th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
How are they going to deal with border formalities at Ebbsfleet?   

Uber will have to fund it.  The cost of border formalities is one of the main reasons why Eurostar are not using Ebbsfleet and Ashford


Gemini, and other contenders, are however asking the ORR for access to Temple Mills depot, which is managed by Eurostar. This is also a question of limited space, and it's not clear yet much space can be made available and how this might constrain the umber of new services or operators.

Temple Mills will be the challenge to anything more than a few trains a day.  An option for a serious contender could be a new depot at Dagenham or make use of space at Dollands Moor 

Re: Uber plan trains through The Chunnel
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361932/30316/51]
Posted by stuving at 00:07, 4th June 2025
Already liked by IndustryInsider, Witham Bobby
 
No one has been able to compete until the exclusivity clause for Eurostar using HS1 (or is it the Channel Tunnel?) expires

Neither. Any exclusivity was disposed of by EU directive 2007/58/EC on the liberalisation of international rail passenger services. For details see the Government's guide for potential new operators:
Directive 2007/58/EC on the liberalisation of international rail passenger services is part of the Third Railway Package measures, designed to open up international passenger services to competition within the EU from 1 January 2010. The Directive is now implemented in Great Britain. It was implemented through an amendment to the Railways Infrastructure (Access & Management) Regulations 2005 made by the Railways Infrastructure (Access & Management) (Amendment) Regulations 2009, and by an amendment to the Channel Tunnel (International Arrangements) Order 2005, made by Channel Tunnel (International Arrangements) (Amendment) Order 2009.

The Directive grants new rights of access for the purpose of operating international rail passenger services, and imposes new duties on rail regulatory bodies in relation to access to the infrastructure for those purposes.

Gemini, and other contenders, are however asking the ORR for access to Temple Mills depot, which is managed by Eurostar. This is also a question of limited space, and it's not clear yet much space can be made available and how this might constrain the umber of new services or operators.

That report has made a big thing of Uber's involvement, even saying "Uber will soon be operating trains across the English Channel". But the original launch publicity from Gemini in March didn't mention Uber, who joined in two weeks ago offering branding and the use of their app for booking. I can't find their joint press release on Gemini's site, though it is on LinkedIn.

Re: Uber plan trains through The Chunnel
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361931/30316/51]
Posted by eightonedee at 22:27, 3rd June 2025
 
How are they going to deal with border formalities at Ebbsfleet?   

 
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