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Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362205/30348/1]
Posted by paul7575 at 11:45, 13th June 2025
 

I was quite surprised it lasted in service as long as it did, I suspect it would have had a much earlier retirement without the Falklands losses.


She was used as the RN Cadet and Schools acquaint and accommodation as well as being used by the RN for training until recently, she sat on permanent mooring off of HMS Excellent (Whale Island)

As a Sea Cadet adult volunteer I have spent many weekends and week living onboard HMS Bristol, sad to see her go
I wouldn’t count any of the use after 1991 as actually ‘in service’ though.  In the 1970s there were a number of harbour training ships in the Portsmouth area, eg Diamond at Priddys Hard, (for Sultan and Collingwood engineering trainees), and IIRC Rame Head was used by the cadets at Excellent (followed by Kent, and I’m sure we didn’t considered any of them in service... 

Re: Best-loved railway art unveiled after global vote - April 2025
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362204/30177/49]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:51, 13th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Joy as grandad's painting tops railway art poll



The granddaughter of war artist Eric Ravilious said she was "delighted" one of his works had been named as the world's best-loved railway artwork from the UK.

Painted in 1940, Train Landscape shows the chalk white horse of Westbury, Wiltshire, through the window of a third-class train carriage.

Kate Ravilious, who is a Labour councillor in York, said it was "really lovely" to hear how many people loved the painting.

Art UK and Railway 200 organised the ballot, which drew votes from around the world, as part of events to mark the 200th anniversary of the modern railway.

She said the watercolour may never have seen the light of day however, were it not for her grandmother, Tirzah Garwood, who pieced it together from works her grandfather had discarded.

"I think my granddad and my grandmother would have been delighted because she had a lot to play in this painting too," Ms Ravilious said. "My granddad was a perfectionist in his work and about a third of the pieces he decided weren't worth keeping and in this case my grandmother could see the potential. He had a whole series of paintings that he'd done that he wasn't happy with."

Asked why the painting, which is on display at Aberdeen Art Gallery, had topped the poll, she said she believed that era of artwork was gaining popularity. "Perhaps it's a bit of a nostalgia for a past. His view of the landscape, other people have described it as evoking a kind of Englishness we all love."

Ravilious, who grew up in Sussex, was a painter, designer, book illustrator and wood-engraver who later became a war artist. He was the first war artist to die on active service in 1942, meaning Ms Ravilious would never meet him. "Sadly in 1942 he was sent to Iceland and he went off on an air-sea rescue mission and the plane never returned."

She said he had left a vast amount of work behind. "We still have his lovely paintings to remember him by and that's how I know him, through his paintings."



Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362203/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 10:24, 13th June 2025
 
Yesterday (Thursday June 12), the afternoon halts train from Didcot to Evesham was cancelled after Oxford.

JourneyCheck had this as being due to "to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

RTT has it as "This service was cancelled between Oxford and Evesham due to the planned train being replaced with a slower train (MS)".

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362202/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:37, 13th June 2025
 
1W11 0553 London Paddington to Great Malvern 
was cancelled between Oxford and Great Malvern due to an issue with the train crew (TG).
(RTT)

08:56 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 11:27 will be started from Oxford.
It will no longer call at Great Malvern, Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury and Hanborough.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:13/06/2025 07:22
(GW Journeycheck)

Striking disparity between the excuses

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362201/29726/18]
Posted by RA at 08:38, 13th June 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
...and the 17:35 Swindon-Westbury left Chippenham on time, but then stopped for about 5 mins somewhere before Thingley, due to a red signal according to the train manager. Wasn't obvious why; I assumed something had got delayed coming from Melksham in the opposite direction on the single track we were waiting to turn into, but nothing came past us. Strange.

Nothing obvious on Real Time Trains ... the other possibility that I looked at was the possibility of something ahead of it that had to clear Bradford Junction before you could proceed, but that was NOT showing on RTT.

Signalling experts may be able to help me - but I think that the train is passed from Didcot to Westbury sit passes along the line and signallers at both ends have to co-operate to pass trains.  I get the impression that the paths / this is occasionally done very late.

The signaller at Westbury controls the single line through Melksham. In order to route a down train from Thingley Junction towards Bradford Junction, the signaller on the TVSC Swindon workstation has to request the slot from their counterpart at Westbury. If the slot is not requested or given in good time, the Automatic Route Setting will set the route up only as far as the signal before the Thingley crossovers. This is to ensure that the junction is not blocked if there was to be a train coming up from Bradford Junction first.

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad
In "Introductions and chat" [362200/30350/1]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:47, 13th June 2025
 
From The BBC


Over coming time, we will learn what caused the plane to fall out of the sky; out of respect for those who have perished or been bereaved, I am not speculating here.

Agreed. Speculation best avoided.

A colleague lost an Aunt and Uncle in yesterday's crash, who (heart breakingly) were en route to attend a funeral in London.

Edited to clarify quoting

Re: RMT to ballot GWR Gateline staff over lone staffing plans - June 2025
In "Across the West" [362199/30351/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:42, 13th June 2025
Already liked by eightonedee, Bob_Blakey, Clan Line
 
From the Morning Star:



Rail union RMT announced today that it will be balloting over 300 gateline staff across Great Western Railway (GWR) for strike action. The ballot, opening on June 17, comes in response to company plans to impose single staffing and extend working hours.

The rail union argues that this will leave staff on ticket barriers isolated, more exposed to abuse and violence, and unable to provide proper ticket enforcement and adequate assistance to passengers. RMT reports that management has attempted to intimidate workers by insisting they will not win the ballot, and that the new working arrangements will go ahead regardless.
 
General secretary Eddie Dempsey said: “Our members are being threatened with unsafe working conditions and told there is nothing they can do about it. GWR is trying to impose single staffing, which will put our members at greater chance of being harmed at work and we cannot allow that. RMT will not accept lone working on stations and Gatelines, and we are prepared to take strike action to stop it.”

A Great Western Railway spokesman said: “These proposals mean more colleagues at seven GWR stations on our network to offer help and support to customers. We’ve got no plans to extend the working hours for gateline colleagues and there is no suggestion of single staffing being imposed. We’ve been speaking to trades unions colleagues about recruiting an additional 30 members of staff at seven locations on our network to help us provide more staff at gatelines for longer. Rather than being imposed, we’ve been clear that minimum staffing levels would be agreed by local station teams, based on risk assessments agreed with trades unions. We’re keen to talk to colleagues and their trades union representatives to find a mutually beneficial solution here that doesn’t involve colleagues losing money through unnecessary industrial action.”


Of note is the apparently obligatory illustrative image, again from Bristol Temple Meads - which would surely be the last railway station to be subject to any proposed 'single staffing' on the ticket barriers?

CfN.

I wonder if either of the Morning Star's readers noticed?

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad
In "Introductions and chat" [362198/30350/1]
Posted by JayMac at 21:54, 12th June 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Some reports are suggesting dual engine failure after take-off (DEFATO) That would help explain why there was a mayday call. It's something that is very noticeable to the flight crew, very quickly. If the plane had been incorrectly configured for take-off (as some have speculated - noting that flaps may have been incorrectly positioned and gear was still down) it's less likely the pilots would've figured out what was wrong in time to diagnose the problem and then communicate. The rule of thumb is: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. There's also some suggestion that the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) was deployed, which would add weight to the DEFATO hypothesis.

A dual engine failure immediately after V2 would most likely occur due to birdstrikes. Other foreign object damage is possible, though less likely to affect both engines. It could also potentially be contaminated fuel, but there have been subsequent take-offs from that airport, so it's unlikely the source of fuel was the problem.

Dual engine failure at, or immediately after, V2. Startled pilots. No positive rate achieved so no "positive rate, gear up" call out and action. Begin the DEFATO checklist, which I suspect is mainly memory items due to the time critical nature of the fault. Continuing aviating. Issue mayday.

If it turns out to be this scenario then the sad reality is that the pilots simply did not have enough of three critical things. Time, altitude, speed. The nearest comparison would be US Airways Flight 1549. But Chesley Sullenberger and Jeffrey Skiles had nearly 4 minutes, 190kts and 3,000ft to play with.

My thoughts and sympathies go to all those affected. 

Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362197/30348/1]
Posted by Kernow Otter at 21:49, 12th June 2025
 
Got flown out to Hong Kong to join her. Amazing three month trip back to Portsmouth. 1990.

RMT to ballot GWR Gateline staff over lone staffing plans - June 2025
In "Across the West" [362196/30351/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:04, 12th June 2025
 
From the Morning Star:



Rail union RMT announced today that it will be balloting over 300 gateline staff across Great Western Railway (GWR) for strike action. The ballot, opening on June 17, comes in response to company plans to impose single staffing and extend working hours.

The rail union argues that this will leave staff on ticket barriers isolated, more exposed to abuse and violence, and unable to provide proper ticket enforcement and adequate assistance to passengers. RMT reports that management has attempted to intimidate workers by insisting they will not win the ballot, and that the new working arrangements will go ahead regardless.
 
General secretary Eddie Dempsey said: “Our members are being threatened with unsafe working conditions and told there is nothing they can do about it. GWR is trying to impose single staffing, which will put our members at greater chance of being harmed at work and we cannot allow that. RMT will not accept lone working on stations and Gatelines, and we are prepared to take strike action to stop it.”

A Great Western Railway spokesman said: “These proposals mean more colleagues at seven GWR stations on our network to offer help and support to customers. We’ve got no plans to extend the working hours for gateline colleagues and there is no suggestion of single staffing being imposed. We’ve been speaking to trades unions colleagues about recruiting an additional 30 members of staff at seven locations on our network to help us provide more staff at gatelines for longer. Rather than being imposed, we’ve been clear that minimum staffing levels would be agreed by local station teams, based on risk assessments agreed with trades unions. We’re keen to talk to colleagues and their trades union representatives to find a mutually beneficial solution here that doesn’t involve colleagues losing money through unnecessary industrial action.”


Of note is the apparently obligatory illustrative image, again from Bristol Temple Meads - which would surely be the last railway station to be subject to any proposed 'single staffing' on the ticket barriers?

CfN.

Re: London to Frankfurt and Geneva - direct trains from Eurostar?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362195/29934/51]
Posted by Electric train at 20:55, 12th June 2025
 
Press release from Railfuture:

Railfuture comments on Eurostar announcement. Planning new trains to Germany and Switzerland:

It looks as if Eurostar has finally decided to expand. The Eurostar 50 new trains order has been around for a while but without stated commitment to run from Britain.

The "concentrate in the core, high fares" strategy is fine in the short run if you have no wider economic objectives but it has opened up a plethora of open access proposals.

Perhaps the most significant result is for Eurostar to realise that they are best placed to expand with less barriers to entry than new entrants. The key is to do this fast enough to keep new entrants at bay. The announcement to add new routes from London to Germany and Switzerland is strategically significant in this respect.

Open access has, in this way, already served a purpose without even running a train. In strategic terms this is good. Railfuture welcomes this development but makes it clear that this still leaves scope for more services and more competition, particularly on the existing Paris route and to the largest air market from Britain, after Paris and Amsterdam, i.e. Spain.

Also, sooner or later, someone will realise that there are other cities in Britain that have a huge air market, More people travel from Manchester to Paris than from London to any city in Switzerland.

Railfuture contends that the timing and the economics are right for sustainable rail travel from Britain as is the market appetite.

Railfuture's suggested choice of preferred open access routes.

This is ambitious for obvious reasons against the present situation but far less so in market terms. It also makes the presumption that the current preoccupation with immigration and security will be eased, with new technology and EU technology.

This proposes two strategic stops en route here, Stratford in long haul fast services to take about 30% volume to ease St Pancras, and Ashford for the Kent catchment area with its propensity to travel to Continental Europe.

Stratford or in some case, Lille would largely replace St Pancras as the interchange point from NW England.

Draft list of contenders.

Eurostar's proposals plus;
Paris route competition

    London, Stratford - Paris (fast)
    London, Ashford - Calais, Lille, Paris
    London, Ashford - Charles de Gaulle Airport, Disneyland Paris, Lyon. Delete Lyon, add Tours, Bordeaux
    Manchester, Crewe (Merseyside and North West hub), Rugby(West Midlands hub), Stratford - Lille, Paris (all with long platforms)


South of France and Spain route competition

    London, Stratford- Barcelona, Madrid (fast)
    London, Ashford - Lyon, Avignon, Marseille
    London, Ashford - Lyon, Montpellier, Perpignan, Barcelona. Delete Barcelona, possibly combined to Avignon


Add

    London, Ashford, Charles de Gaulle Airport, Disneyland, LeMans, Nantes, with multiple service stops to provide frequency to CdG and Disneyland.


London, Ashford- Germany route competition

    London, Stratford - Hannover, Berlin (fast)
    London, Stratford - Brussels, Koln, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Zurich, Milan


Belgium, Netherlands route competition

    Manchester, Crewe, Rugby, Stratford - Lille, Antwerp, Rotterdam, Amsterdam


Nord Pas de Calais shuttle in cooperation on fares with SE High Speed and domestic Ashford - Calais, Lille

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Notes to editors:

Railfuture is the UK's leading independent organisation campaigning for better rail services for both passengers and freight.

Railfuture's website can be found at: www.railfuture.org.uk

I believe it was always Eurostar ambition to expand its services further into Europe.   A few things that dented that ambition, Covid really hit Eurostar hard financially onto top of the cost of procuring the class 375's and to a lesser extent was initially the uncertainty of the impact of Brexit border controls.  The other part of the picture has been more and more high speed lines being linked up in Europe, they get on and build theirs while we procrastinate 

The full merger and rebranding of Thalys into Eurostar certainly underlines their ambition. 

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362194/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 20:47, 12th June 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
...and the 17:35 Swindon-Westbury left Chippenham on time, but then stopped for about 5 mins somewhere before Thingley, due to a red signal according to the train manager. Wasn't obvious why; I assumed something had got delayed coming from Melksham in the opposite direction on the single track we were waiting to turn into, but nothing came past us. Strange.

Nothing obvious on Real Time Trains ... the other possibility that I looked at was the possibility of something ahead of it that had to clear Bradford Junction before you could proceed, but that was NOT showing on RTT.

Signalling experts may be able to help me - but I think that the train is passed from Didcot to Westbury sit passes along the line and signallers at both ends have to co-operate to pass trains.  I get the impression that the paths / this is occasionally done very late.

Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362193/30348/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:12, 12th June 2025
 
Thank you all for your replies to my original post: I did wonder whether it would be of any interest here, on a predominantly railway forum, but it has shown to be so.

CfN. 

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362192/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 19:57, 12th June 2025
 
...and the 17:35 Swindon-Westbury left Chippenham on time, but then stopped for about 5 mins somewhere before Thingley, due to a red signal according to the train manager. Wasn't obvious why; I assumed something had got delayed coming from Melksham in the opposite direction on the single track we were waiting to turn into, but nothing came past us. Strange.

Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362191/30340/49]
Posted by Electric train at 19:06, 12th June 2025
Already liked by broadgage, Witham Bobby
 
In my opinion I don't there is anything wrong with having the rifles on display, don't think they would have had bullets in them though.
I agree, but am still surprised that the military authorities allowed this. I support HM forces and have no problem with such forces carrying weapons.

I rather think that the relevant military authorities actually 'arranged' this, rather than just 'allowing' it: it was a very big public relations event, after all. 



The paperwork and risk assessments for the movement of weapons is quite onerous.

But remember the armed forces regularly parade in the open public in Windsor and London.

It if it ever gets to the point where our armed forces are not allowed to march and parade in public will be the day I know for certain the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Oh they would have an armed civilian Police escort to protect the Guardsmen from ill intentioned members of the public, the armed forces do not have the powers of arrest other than civil arrest

Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362190/30348/1]
Posted by Electric train at 18:57, 12th June 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 

I was quite surprised it lasted in service as long as it did, I suspect it would have had a much earlier retirement without the Falklands losses.


She was used as the RN Cadet and Schools acquaint and accommodation as well as being used by the RN for training until recently, she sat on permanent mooring off of HMS Excellent (Whale Island)

As a Sea Cadet adult volunteer I have spent many weekends and week living onboard HMS Bristol, sad to see her go

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad
In "Introductions and chat" [362189/30350/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:19, 12th June 2025
 
Thank you for your post, grahame.

I held back from posting, earlier today, as the news continued to develop: this is an awful transport incident, with effects felt locally to us, as you wrote.

My thoughts and sympathies, too, are with all the families, friends and colleagues of those deceased.  A very sad day.

CfN. 

Re: Darwin Award Hopeful?
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362188/30287/49]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 17:12, 12th June 2025
 
Loss of life on the crossing was back in 2021, never heard anymore about it You ?.

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362187/1219/28]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:53, 12th June 2025
 
indeed.....thanks!

Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362186/30348/1]
Posted by paul7575 at 16:48, 12th June 2025
 
Basically she was overtaken by events while in build, steam turbine main propulsion was about to be ruled out in surface ships in favour of all gas turbine.

The weapon and radar systems were effectively that of a Type 42 in a different hull, but in the details she had a unique Seadart missile handling system, she had no helicopter hangar, and retained the obsolescent Mortar Mk 10 for a long while until it was removed.  There was also an Ikara anti submarine system that was mothballed quite early in the ship’s life.

I was quite surprised it lasted in service as long as it did, I suspect it would have had a much earlier retirement without the Falklands losses.

Paul

Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362185/30340/49]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:34, 12th June 2025
 
In my opinion I don't there is anything wrong with having the rifles on display, don't think they would have had bullets in them though.
I agree, but am still surprised that the military authorities allowed this. I support HM forces and have no problem with such forces carrying weapons.

I rather think that the relevant military authorities actually 'arranged' this, rather than just 'allowing' it: it was a very big public relations event, after all. 


Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362184/1219/28]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:10, 12th June 2025
 
£2.54million was specifically mentioned by Rachel Reeves yesterday - so no "confirmed" needed in quotes.

Three orders of magnitude out there, ChrisB. Make that £2.54 billion

Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362183/30340/49]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 15:50, 12th June 2025
 
I agree, but am still surprised that the military authorities allowed this. I support HM forces and have no problem with such forces carrying weapons.

My old man, as a National Serviceman in the late 1950's, found himself in front of the RSM having been seen cycling home to his married accommodation, 5 miles from camp, with his Lee Enfield slung over his shoulder. It was always kept safe at night in the bedroom wardrobe! 

Apparently it was a no - no even then for a soldier to carry a firearm off camp. From that day hence it stayed in the armoury until his very last parade - by which time they had changed rifle type - and the drill. 

I suspect that on parade - which I suspect all these Guardsmen are - things are different.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362182/231/28]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:46, 12th June 2025
Already liked by Andy
 
There is an infrastructure announcement due next week sometime, so it may well be in that.

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [362181/1219/28]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:45, 12th June 2025
 
£2.54million was specifically mentioned by Rachel Reeves yesterday - so no "confirmed" needed in quotes.

Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad
In "Introductions and chat" [362180/30350/1]
Posted by grahame at 15:38, 12th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
From The BBC

An Air India passenger plane bound for London Gatwick crashed shortly after taking off in Ahmedabad on Thursday, leaving at least 204 people dead.
The flight was carrying 242 passengers and crew when it was involved in what the airline has called a "tragic accident" in the city in western India.
Ahmedabad's police chief told the BBC that 204 bodies had been recovered, while 41 people were being treated for injuries.
He earlier told news agencies there appeared to be no survivors from the crash, and that some local people would also have died given where the plane came down.

We are primarily a UK rail forum - but just occasionally something as major as this takes place - classified so far as a tragic accident - which goes for comment beyond our narrower sphere of interest.

My thoughts for those who died on board (I understand - stop press - at least one survivor) , those who have died or been injured on the ground. And my thoughts with family, friends and colleagues of those who have perished.  This was a flight into Gatwick - an airport that many of us use, and served by the trains we talk about.  Perhaps "meet and greet" people will have been on their way down, and arrivals planned to carry on on "our" trains.

Over coming time, we will learn what caused the plane to fall out of the sky; out of respect for those who have perished or been bereaved, I am not speculating here.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362179/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 15:38, 12th June 2025
 
Now both re-instated.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362178/29726/18]
Posted by bobm at 15:32, 12th June 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
Now both re-instated.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362177/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 15:26, 12th June 2025
 
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.

Re: Rail trail proposals in Gloucestershire
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [362176/30345/50]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 15:10, 12th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Richard Fairhurst, Oxonhutch, rogerw, Chris from Nailsea, eightonedee
 
The new estate will be about 3 miles from Kemble so absolutely prime territory for cycling. But I wonder if the Coventry VLR trials will tip the balance in future (insert usual gadgetbahn disclaimer here).

Kemble is the railhead for Cirencester and Tetbury, and (without researching this) I’d bet a fiver that part of the justification for closing both lines was that a bus could do the job. But the 882 - which looks like the modern incarnation of that substitute bus - does not integrate with the hourly train service at Kemble, so an onward connection is hit-and-miss.

So before committing to any kind of rail-based connection to Kemble, maybe it would be good to market a bus service from Tetbury to Cirencester via Kemble which connected to the trains, similar to the Bodmin and Okehampton services?

 
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